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Katie: Hi and welcome to The Wellness Mama Podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com. And please excuse my voice continues to be a bit of bit convalescing nowadays, however I in reality, in reality loved this interview and this dialog. I’m right here with Suneel Gupta, and we talked so much in regards to the which means of dharma and discovering your goal in an beaten existence. And he’s without a doubt the person to discuss this. He talks about how he misplaced his dharma after which came upon it once more. And he’s an writer and a visiting student at Harvard Clinical College.

His paintings is to check probably the most abnormal other folks on this planet and uncover and percentage easy, actionable conduct that carry our efficiency and deepen our day-to-day sense of goal. And his paintings has been featured everywhere for doing simply that, however we communicate in-depth nowadays about his new e-book, which is all about uncovering your dharma and nurturing that for your day-to-day existence. And I like how he talks about that that is extra of a revelation than a change, that it’s uncovering and getting issues out of the best way of what’s already there. And we get much more fine-tuned and in-depth with that dialog. He additionally supplies some very sensible issues you’ll be able to take a look at in day-to-day existence to lend a hand in finding your dharma should you don’t already know what this is. And I in reality love a large number of his outlook and the stairs that he provides on this procedure. So, I extremely counsel testing his e-book should you haven’t already and likewise becoming a member of us for this dialog. So, with out additional ado, let’s sign up for Suneel Gupta. Suneel, welcome to the podcast. Thank you for being right here.

Suneel: Katie, it’s so nice to be right here. I like your display.

Katie: Oh, thanks. I’m excited for our chat nowadays, and we’re going to get to move deep on a number of subjects together with the subject of your most up-to-date e-book. However ahead of we bounce into that, I’ve some notes out of your bio that I would like to listen to some backstory on. One being that via maximum of your teenagers, you had been clinically overweight, and I went via a equivalent enjoy with having six children in 9 years and thyroid problems. And in addition, that your folks began a Bollywood karaoke crew, and I would like to listen to a bit of little bit of context on either one of the ones.

Suneel: Yeah, completely. I suppose let’s get started with being a kid who was once obese. I’d say, typically, my circle of relatives struggled with weight. My father had a triple bypass surgical treatment when he was once in his early 40s. We rushed him to the clinic, and we just about misplaced him that day. And it was once a in reality frightening time for all people. I used to be round 11 years previous on the time, and I take note sitting through his clinic mattress, and I keep in mind that the clinic had given him those sheets of paper. And it was once like, “, consume broccoli, consume Brussels sprouts.” And I take note considering to myself, like, you realize, we don’t in reality consume broccoli and Brussels sprouts at house. We’re an Indian circle of relatives. , we do a large number of Indian cooking at house. And I simply had this suspicion that my dad was once no longer going so to persist with this vitamin or the workout program that that they had laid out. And that was once true. , he in reality struggled with that once he were given house. And I did in addition to a child who overate and, however we ended up getting the assistance of a private nutritionist. The clinic, the insurance coverage corporate, thankfully, they paid for it, understanding that my dad was once going to return to the situation he was once in ahead of. They helped pay for it, and that in reality modified our existence. , we wiped clean up the best way we ate, held my dad responsible to techniques of understanding and the ways in which we workout. And unsurprisingly, it was once all in regards to the little conduct. It was once the little issues. , it wasn’t a wholesale exchange of doing away with carbs from the vitamin or anything else like that. It was once extra about, you realize, consuming water ahead of each and every meal, ensuring that when having dinner, you had been having it at a time that was once a couple of hours ahead of mattress and getting a bit of little bit of a, a bit of little bit of motion in between dinner and sleep. There have been those cornerstone conduct, and so they modified our lives. My dad ended up dropping pounds at the moment. This was once the Nineties, and docs had given him possibly 10 years to are living. , proper ahead of I got here on with you, Katie, I talked to my dad. He was once going out for a three-mile stroll. It’s been over 30 years.

And so, that in reality had a profound affect on me. I finished up opting for, once I turned into an entrepreneur, I had began a few firms that didn’t paintings. After I began an organization that did, it was once in reality in response to my dad’s tale. It was once the person who I sought after to determine how you can principally carry nutritionist training into the fingers of everyone. Yeah, as a result of presently, or at that cut-off date, it was once one thing that you simply needed to be very ill or very wealthy to have enough money for your existence. And I sought after to determine, may just we in fact make this one thing that everyone may just have enough money? And so, we introduced one-on-one well being training, wellness training on your cell phone. And that was once in 2012 when well being apps had been nonetheless fairly new. And that corporate ended up turning into the person who was once a hit. We ended up promoting that to One Clinical, which is now owned through Amazon. And that set me at the adventure that I’m on presently. In order that’s the early life weight problems one. Do you need to discuss karaoke?

Katie: Yeah, I’m occupied with that as a result of I without a doubt one among my deeper fears is making a song in public, and I’ve made myself karaoke a pair instances to stand that worry. However I do know some other folks in fact do it for exact a laugh.

Suneel: Yeah, yeah. , karaoke for me has, like for my folks, I feel, has been a in reality vital a part of their tale. My folks are each engineers. However in early 2000s, we had been dwelling in Michigan, and Michigan was once going via an excessively, very tricky time economically. A variety of production crops had been shutting down. The car firms had been hurting. It was once the start of, I feel, a large number of ache that was once coming to Detroit’s approach. My folks each ended up getting laid off from their jobs, and so they had been of their 50s. So, it was once a kind of ages the place it was once a bit of bit laborious for them to move out and in finding one thing else. So as a substitute, we simply hunkered down. We used no matter financial savings we had. And we had been in a position to make it paintings financially. However the problem was once in reality extra that, I feel, whilst you lose this task that you simply’ve been going to for many years, what do you do together with your existence? The place’s your goal? And for my folks, they ended up discovering that via Bollywood karaoke. My dad actually went out and he purchased a gadget from Costco, introduced it house at some point, and ended up getting some tracks that he used to hear as a child when he was once dwelling in India. And my folks each began to sing. However then they began to ask pals over, individuals who had additionally been laid off from their jobs. And so they began to sing. And abruptly, it turned into this regimen the place if it was once Friday night time, it was once Bollywood Bash Evening on the Gupta’s three-bedroom house in metro Detroit. And it’s one thing that they started within the early 2000s and one thing they’ve persevered to nowadays. I imply, actually, should you name my folks on a Friday night time, likelihood is that they’re karaoke making a song.

However should you take into consideration it, Katie, and I feel this will get to a large number of what you simply discuss at the display. It’s those cornerstone conduct, nevertheless it’s additionally the whole lot that occurs in between. Having karaoke on a Friday night time would possibly no longer appear the item that fills you up with goal. However on the similar time, what you’re doing in between the ones Friday nights is you’re making ready the track, you’re making ready the songs, you’re desirous about what you need to put on, you’re memorizing issues with the intention to be off-script a bit of bit, you’re operating to your vocals. It’s one thing that my folks do in combination, and that in reality tightens their bond as husband and spouse. After which they have got neighborhood. They finally end up connecting with other folks, and the ones relationships are living past the karaoke ground. And so, it’s in a large number of techniques, I feel, given the lacking sense of no longer most effective goal however id and neighborhood that I feel all of us crave.

Katie: I like that. And I believe love it’s a great springboard into our dialog. And it highlights, you’re proper, some issues I discuss very steadily on right here. The primary when it comes to your first tale being that it’s steadily the small, constant, and unfastened conduct that make the most important distinction ultimately. And so they’re steadily overpassed as a result of they’re so easy. And possibly the partiality biohack turns out extra glossy and thrilling, nevertheless it’s the ones small conduct of whether or not it’s morning daylight, hydration, preventing consuming ahead of bedtime with sufficient time to digest, the ones little issues in reality do upload up. After which the opposite one I discuss such a lot is neighborhood.

And so, I like that your folks discovered a in reality a laugh solution to nurture neighborhood that, as an added bonus, I’ve mentioned ahead of once we use our vocal cords, we stimulate such things as their optimum manufacturing of thyroid hormones, the vagus nerve, like such a lot of good things occur once we sing. And I don’t know if it was once causational in any respect, however I do know once I began voice classes, it was once across the time my thyroid problems resolved. So, I all the time love to provide that as like unfastened recommendation to somebody is no less than simply sing within the bathe, take a look at making a song someplace as a result of the use of your voice could have a profound receive advantages.

However I believe like the ones are a perfect springboard into what’s going to be the majority of our dialog nowadays. And I feel ahead of we transfer ahead, it’s going to be vital to outline a time period that’s a part of the identify of your e-book and likewise a base time period for this complete dialog, which is the phrase, dharma. And I’d bet possibly other folks have no less than heard the phrase however would possibly no longer have a in reality concrete definition of what it manner. So, to begin there, will you outline what you imply through dharma?

Suneel: Positive, positive. So, most of the people who I communicate to who’ve heard the phrase dharma kind of equate it with goal. And typically, that’s true. What’s your goal in existence? Within the e-book, in reality attempt to cross extra particular than that. And the equation that I be offering is that dharma is the same as essence plus expression, essence plus expression. Essence is who you’re, and expression is the way you display up on the planet. And dharma is in reality the artwork of aligning the ones two, aligning who you’re with what you do. And each and every small alignment in reality makes an enormous distinction. So oftentimes, once we take into consideration goal or calling, we expect that we wish to make a grand gesture or a large sweeping exchange in our existence. And oftentimes, that’s no longer the case in any respect. The e-book is full of individuals who had been in a position to make little adjustments of their lives. And through making those little adjustments, they had been in a position to fully develop into who they had been.

I’ll provide you with an instance if you need. In Bankruptcy 1, there’s a lady named Mila who’s a challenge supervisor inside of a large corporate. And, like a large number of us, she’s a operating mother. She is totally beaten, however she’s additionally no longer discovering a large number of pleasure in her paintings. She’s appearing up daily, and it’s a paycheck greater than this can be a pastime. And when she displays on her existence, probably the most issues that she realizes is that she loves to show. Like she loves educating, and he or she needed that she may just return and grow to be a trainer. However the issue is when she appears at her price range, she appears at the place they’re as a circle of relatives, that simply doesn’t appear very fair for her, proper? To give up her task, the circle of relatives depends on her wage, they depend on her healthcare insurance coverage to return and get her educating certificates at night time when she has children at house. All these things isn’t in reality including up. So, like, I feel a large number of us, she feels caught. However at some point, she’s sitting down with a mentor, and he or she’s confiding in her mentor how unsatisfied she in reality is. And her mentor leans again in her chair, and he or she takes a sip of espresso. After which she asks Mila, like, “What’s it in particular about educating that you simply love?” And as Mila in reality takes a troublesome have a look at that query, what she was once in a position to do is cross underneath the identify of trainer and into what she in reality in fact loves about educating. And when she went right down to that point, what she began to understand is that she likes to lend a hand other folks develop. Like that’s her essence. That’s what makes her come alive. And sure, educating was once one solution to categorical that essence, however there also are many different ways to specific that essence as nicely. And what she finally ends up doing is she makes a bit of shift, like a bit of shift inside of her similar division into a task that will get her concerned with finding out and building, the place she will get started coaching other folks. And once she begins making that shift, the whole lot adjustments. She comes alive in a brand-new approach. She is going from dreading her paintings to getting away from bed with enthusiasm and effort. Her husband notices, her children understand, she turns into a emerging famous person within the corporate. And all of this was once achieved with out converting her parking spot, with out converting her corporate, proper? She didn’t have to desert the whole lot with a purpose to make this large, I feel this large, giant exchange in her existence.

And I feel that’s the parable that, in the long run, we’re looking to debunk right here on this e-book is that it kind of feels every so often that we’ve got already taken a trail. And once we’ve taken that trail, we really feel caught in that position. And sure, we would like shall we rewind the clock and do issues otherwise, however steadily that’s no longer a liberty that we’ve got. However the excellent news is that you simply don’t have to desert who you’re with a purpose to develop into the best way you are living. Oftentimes your dharma, those little techniques of expressing who you’re via what you do, is to be had to you presently, simply the place you’re.

Katie: I like that. And it kind of feels particularly related to mothers as a result of I do know many people, we don’t have the ability or would we wish to exchange our trail and no longer have our youngsters anymore. We have now our youngsters, that’s an excessively giant a part of our lives. And in addition, I do know mothers from time to time can really feel like possibly they lose portions of themselves in motherhood, or no less than the ones issues get placed on a again burner when children take the point of interest. And so, as I used to be beginning to learn via this e-book, I liked that since you in reality do spotlight the ones little refined shifts that may give extra pleasure, extra power, extra gratitude for your existence with no need to make a drastic main existence exchange. And it additionally stood out to me, the time period dharma isn’t a brand new time period. If truth be told, you discuss it being over one thousand years previous, however, and also you discuss this within the e-book as nicely, however it kind of feels like that is in fact particularly related in nowadays’s international. However are you able to discuss that?

Suneel: Yeah, completely. Yeah. So, dharma is over one thousand years previous. , the primary time that dharma was once in reality introduced into actual public area was once via a scripture referred to as the Bhagavad Gita. And you realize, the Bhagavad Gita is the Hindu Bible. Nevertheless it’s been the time period that has in reality made its approach from historic to fashionable, from east to west. The e-book is stuffed with Westerners figures from Martin Luther King to Jimi Hendrix to Toni Morrison to Bob Marley that in reality introduced dharma into their lives and had been in a position to specific themselves at a better point on account of that.

I feel it’s extra related nowadays than ever ahead of as a result of once we have a look at the place we’re within the staff, and we glance even for people who find themselves operating from house or their full-time duty is elevating a circle of relatives, probably the most issues we all know is that the #1 driving force for many people, for our psychological well being, is what we do on a daily basis. And for the ones people who’re within the staff, the one who has the most important impact on our general well-being, every so often much more than a health care provider or a therapist, is our boss. And so, we wish to, I feel every so often we’re underneath the error that paintings and wellness are those two separate worlds. And oftentimes, once we use the phrase steadiness, it evokes this symbol of spend sufficient time in each and every of the ones worlds. However I feel what we’re lacking is that there in fact isn’t as a lot of a wall between the ones worlds. They impact one some other. Our paintings impacts our wellness in a profound point. And our wellness impacts our paintings. If we really feel in reality, in reality just right, we really feel lit up, we’re going to be doing higher paintings. And through the best way, once more, paintings will also be the paintings you do for your neighborhood. It may be the paintings you do together with your circle of relatives. It doesn’t essentially should be paintings for a corporation. However those two worlds impact one some other. They’re each very important for the luck that we’re after. And so, I feel presently we’re very a lot in a disaster of, I feel, wellness and paintings, the place other folks really feel extra exhausted, extra burnt out, extra depleted than ever ahead of.

And on account of that, we’re in a spot the place, we’re seeing the whole lot that’s taking place within the staff. Individuals are leaving their jobs, like they’re churning like by no means ahead of. It’s very, very laborious for task pleasure to be discovered any place. We’re quietly quitting. We’re forsaking our paintings. And I feel that there’s this sense of malaise that we’re all, I feel maximum people are experiencing presently, the place a role is actually simply turning into a role. And the query may well be requested like, nicely, what’s fallacious with that? Is there anything else fallacious with having a role that’s a paycheck? After all no longer, proper? I imply, we’ve priorities in our existence. We have now paychecks, we’ve expenses, we’ve the entire issues that we want, I feel to get achieved with a purpose to deal with ourselves and the folk round us. That being mentioned, you’re spending about part of your waking hours in a role, proper? And should you don’t like that, if you’re in reality no longer in a position to specific who you’re, you’re hiding this a part of you that we name dharma on a daily basis, that has a profound impact to your psychological and bodily well being, proper? And so, sure, it’s one thing that we, I feel, should, I feel, ask questions on. What’s it that we will be able to do, even in small techniques, I feel, to begin expressing who we’re in order that we will be able to really feel extra pleasure in what we do?

Katie: Yeah. And I like your center of attention within the e-book of constructing that appear very tangible and possible, once more, with out the foremost existence shifts. And I’d bet some other folks listening have a large number of readability on what they really feel like their dharma is, and so they’re shifting towards that. However I’d bet there’s additionally other folks listening who’re considering, like, “I don’t know what mine is.” Perhaps I by no means figured that out. So, for any person who doesn’t really feel like they have got working out or readability of what their very own dharma is, what’s the procedure to begin figuring that out?

Suneel: Yeah, so that is the primary couple of chapters of the e-book. It’s in reality about that. If you happen to don’t know what your dharma is, or although you will have a way of it however you’re no longer moderately transparent on it, how will we begin to get extra transparent? And probably the most metaphors that I feel is in reality vital here’s when Michelangelo would have a look at a block of marble, he would say the sculpture is already inside of. I don’t have to move in finding the sculpture. I simply need to chip away the layers that aren’t vital. And the similar factor is right about your dharma. Your dharma is already within you. It’s simply been buried underneath different priorities, different expectancies, the entire daily obligations, children, drop-offs, growing older folks, the entire issues that we’re ate up through, proper? To not point out other folks’s judgments and priorities and expectancies. Numerous that may bury who we’re from ourselves as nicely.

So, the act of discovering your dharma isn’t about going in this giant expedition to move in finding that. It’s extra about chipping away the layers which can be hiding it, proper? It’s no longer a change up to this can be a revelation. And so, what are the issues that we wish to do to begin chipping away, and within the first couple of chapters of the e-book, in reality discuss the ones chisels that we will be able to use to chip away the ones layers. And every so often the perfect chisels that we will be able to use are in reality within the type of just right introspective questions. So, probably the most most simple questions that I ask from the folk that I trainer, the leaders that I paintings with, that the people who find themselves desirous about re-entering the staff is, what are the brilliant spots of your present day presently? So although you don’t like your task otherwise you don’t like your present state of affairs, what are those tiny moments, although they’re fleeting, the place you begin to really feel that vigorous spice up, proper? And since if we will be able to begin to song in to these brilliant spots, what that may permit us are little home windows, little portals into what our essence in reality is, proper?

And every so often in non-obvious techniques, like there was once a nurse within the e-book, who I discuss, her title is Karen Struck. And Karen turned into a lead nurse at a clinic however didn’t in reality like her task. Like she was once feeling approach beaten. She’s feeling burnt out. However what she discovered is that each and every time she crammed out affected person forms, proper, affected person forms, she began to really feel that vigorous spice up, that little factor that within her mentioned, “Oh, that is fascinating.” And whilst most of the people, maximum nurses, would fill out those bureaucracy with just like the medical main points of a affected person, Karen discovered herself pressured to begin writing in regards to the affected person. Who had been they? What did they cherish to do? What do they revel in doing at house? And each and every of those affected person bureaucracy virtually became like a mini novel. And those mini novels would get handed across the clinic from different docs and nurses as a result of they prefer learn very, rather well. And it reminded them of like what they did for a dwelling and the way vital their paintings in reality was once and the humanity of the folk they had been serving. And Karen began to understand, “Wow, writing is one thing that I in reality, in reality cherish to do.” So, she began to spend money on that craft. It was once a brilliant spot that she began to spend money on and do increasingly of. Every time she had unfastened time, she could be writing a bit of bit extra. And ultimately she was once in a position to amplify her profession from full-time nurse into writing. She began to write down screenplays, and he or she began to write down tv presentations. So, it’s any such issues that may occur, and simply by like tuning into, what are the issues which can be in fact bringing you vigorous pleasure presently? That’s probably the most chisels that we discuss within the e-book.

Katie: I like that. And I’d bet for many of us, it brings up concepts that they might by no means have regarded as as techniques to both combine into issues they’re already doing or, like in her case, an aspect factor that she may just do that at last constructed by itself on account of her pastime for it with out her having to identical to, we mentioned at first, step clear of her present profession within the first, like at first, till the opposite one grew. Any other factor that stood out to me within the e-book was once that this turns out like a good looking merging of Japanese and Western. And I believe such as you attach the ones dots rather well. I spotted this trend within the remaining 10 years or so in a large number of spaces of well being and drugs is fashionable science appears to be catching as much as and confirming what a large number of Japanese traditions has identified for a long time. However I’m curious if any explicit section stood out to you in that as a result of I like any time that present science turns out to make sure what age-old knowledge has all the time identified.

Suneel: Yeah, yeah, that’s any such nice, I feel, level. And for me, no longer one who was once completely apparent to me, you realize, I feel my international is an Indian child rising up in a Western international, I all the time created partitions between the ones two worlds. I imply, I felt a large number of disgrace, to be fair with you, like rising up in a just about all-white community. I sought after to cover who I used to be, you realize, I attempted to be as American as I in all probability may just, I’d overwear Bruce Springsteen T-shirts to college. There have been instances once I caked child powder onto my face to make myself glance extra white as a result of I sought after to slot in. And I feel as I grew up, I began to really feel the wall between the ones two issues begin to come down. And, you realize, there was once an integration. And as I built-in myself, I started to understand how built-in those two worlds in fact had been, you realize, out of doors of me as nicely.

And Western science and Japanese knowledge do, I feel, echo each and every different in lots of, many various techniques. There’s a bankruptcy within the e-book referred to as Prana, when prana stands for abnormal power. How will we carry abnormal power again into our existence, proper? As a result of such a lot of people really feel exhausted presently. And, you realize, there’s a tale that starts with Vivekananda, who was once an historic Swami within the Twenties, assembly Nikola Tesla, and the 2 of them have this opportunity come upon the place abruptly, they begin to percentage concepts round this concept of prana and effort. And so they get in reality animated and excited. And so they get started this collaboration that lasts for years and years. And it was once any such issues that was once impossible, proper? And a large number of Tesla’s pals are like, “Why are you writing about this Japanese philosophy for your Westerners papers?” And he’s like, “Smartly, as it’s essential. It’s one thing that in fact resembles a large number of what we’re speaking about presently.”

And, you realize, probably the most ideas at the back of prana is what I name rhythmic renewal, rhythmic renewal. And what that principally manner is that once we have a look at the ways in which excessive performers, people who find themselves abnormal of their fields, whether or not that be track or making an investment or arts, or they do a large number of issues for his or her neighborhood, they’re no longer looking forward to lengthy breaks or holidays with a purpose to repair and get better. They’re taking widespread, targeted breaks each and every unmarried day. If truth be told, the typical excessive performer that we find out about is taking someplace round 8 breaks each and every unmarried day. 8 breaks, which I do know sounds abnormal, proper? Given the sector we are living in, it kind of feels like very again to again to again. It will possibly really feel presently like each and every time you’re about to begin one thing new, you’re already past due for it. You end something, you’re past due for the following factor. That’s the sector that we are living in presently. It virtually feels love it’s getting quicker and quicker and quicker. And probably the most ways in which we will be able to damage that up is thru what I name the 55-5 type. 55-5, which is that every time conceivable, for each and every 55 mins of labor, you’re taking 5 mins of targeted, planned leisure. And that planned leisure will also be doing anything else, as long as it’s no longer operating. It’s intentionally non-productive. You need to be sipping on a cup of espresso, you might want to be paying attention to track, you might want to be, Katie, you love to sing, possibly it’s making a song like a track, proper? However no matter you’re doing, you’re specializing in that something. You’re no longer multitasking it. You’re monotasking it. You’re specializing in that something. Once we begin to get a divorce our day with this rhythmic renewal, we begin to in finding our power start to carry in some way that it hasn’t ahead of. The folk that I trainer, the groups that I paintings with, once I introduce them to the 55-5 type and so they put it into observe for a few weeks, one of the crucial commonplace items of comments they arrive again to me with is that for the primary time ever, they really feel as a lot power on the finish of the day as they did firstly of the day, simply by working towards those rhythmic renewals all through.

Katie: I like that, and I like that time period for it too. And I can say as a mother and a homeschooling mother, this may be a perfect technique with children is anytime we will be able to, and every so often with little children, possibly even each and every half-hour, give them, like we’ve achieved at school, 5 minute like wiggle breaks, five-minute making a song breaks, 5 mins operating round the home in circles breaks. However anything else that’s a just right trend interrupt like that, I believe like for children, they do come again virtually in an instant with such a lot renewed power. Now not that children steadily fight with power, however the trend interrupt may be in reality useful for children, I believe like.

Suneel: What’s a wiggle damage?

Katie: So, this I realized about when in remedy, I went via a large number of somatic remedy as I used to be freeing trauma and knowing issues can retailer in our our bodies. And so, I did the whole lot from rage remedy and to tantrum remedy, like these kind of other bodily remedies to liberate the ones feelings. And probably the most ones they inspired was once to love throw a mood tantrum on goal to lend a hand the ones feelings liberate. And so, with the youngsters, it’s no longer steadily a mood tantrum, however identical to wiggling up to we in all probability can. And that motion, I believe like, is helping any caught or stagnant feelings to procedure a bit of bit extra simply. And it additionally simply is helping the frame really feel nice since you’re getting motion and lymphatic motion and all the ones issues.

Suneel: Oh my gosh, I’m completely taking a wiggle damage after this.

Katie: I adore it. You additionally communicate within the e-book about what you name probably the most puffed up talent within the fashionable international, and I would like for you to give an explanation for what you imply through that.

Suneel: Yeah, I feel probably the most puffed up talent within the fashionable international is reactivity, is response velocity. We’re repeatedly pressured to react quicker and quicker and quicker, proper? And I feel social media has had so much to do with this, proper? Just like the impulse to reply, react, to love, to get a like temporarily. I feel that should you have a look at the best way that we used to electronic mail again within the day when electronic mail first got here out, should you have a look at response speeds, they had been a lot slower than the response speeds nowadays. When someone sends an electronic mail, there’s a large number of power, particularly if it’s someone who you’re feeling pressured to answer. There’s a large number of power to reply temporarily. And so, response velocity has grow to be any such issues that has grow to be virtually a high quality this is like anticipated. If you happen to don’t reply inside of a undeniable time period, it’s very standard for other folks to mention, I’m so sorry for the lengthen, proper? It’s been like 5 hours. I’m so sorry for the lengthen, proper? I feel that what that does, even though, is that it takes away what Viktor Frankl would name your freedom. Proper? Viktor Frankl, Holocaust survivor, and likewise a neurologist, mentioned that during between impulse and reaction, so in between the item that reasons us to react and our exact response, in between the ones two issues is an area. And inside of that house lies our freedom. And so, should you don’t have a large number of house between issues which can be inflicting you to react and your response, then you definitely don’t have a large number of freedom. And what we’re, I feel, repeatedly discovering ourselves in is a state of affairs the place we’re beginning to lose that freedom. We’re beginning to lose that sense of having the ability to reply once we wish to reply. And it virtually feels in many ways like we’re being lived somewhat than in fact dwelling on account of that.

However there are methods to reclaim that house. And although you’ll be able to transfer it through an inch, you begin to really feel such as you’re respiring once more, such as you’re coming alive once more. , within the e-book, there’s a bankruptcy referred to as Upekkha, which in reality will get into this. And upekkha is all about discovering convenience within the discomfort. So, those moments that reason you, make you need to react, have a tendency to be the moments which can be worrying. They have a tendency to be the moments that reason you anger. The ones are the moments we really feel maximum impulse to react. And that may be to our youngsters, that may be to other folks we paintings with. However there are little issues that we will be able to do, once more, to amplify that distance.

One of the vital techniques, probably the most practices within the e-book, is what I name discovering a house base. Discovering some position that you’ll be able to cross to internally when one thing activates you to react. And in order that house base can actually be a bodily gesture. It may be placing your give up your middle, proper? And feeling your middle from the interior, feeling your hand from the interior of your frame. It may be visualizing one thing, proper? It can be a flow that you simply used to seek advice from as a child, or actually imagining petting your canine, although your canine isn’t there in entrance of you, proper? It may be just a bit gesture. And what you’re doing is you’re simply elongating, you’re elongating that house just a bit bit.

However whilst you do this, what you’re doing is you’re growing alternatives of ways you need to answer one thing. As a result of when we’ve a knee-jerk response, oftentimes what that does is it turns into one thing that we don’t, it takes away our selection, proper? And the issue with this is that you can be someone who has constructed improbable talent for your existence, proper? You will have achieved a large number of paintings on your self. You will have achieved a large number of paintings to your interpersonal relationships. But if we’ve those knee-jerk reactions, the ones talents cross out the door as a result of we’re no longer giving ourselves sufficient time to in fact put the ones into observe. And actually, through giving your self only a couple extra seconds every so often, only a couple extra seconds ahead of you reply, opens the door again as much as the ones talents. It offers you alternatives. And when you’ve got the ones alternatives, you’ll be able to reclaim your freedom.

Katie: Yeah, I feel that is such crucial level, and particularly in The united states, it kind of feels like this in reality has grow to be a subject matter. And I do know there are even jokes floating round on-line that during Europe, you could electronic mail any person, and their electronic mail reaction will probably be like, “I’m sorry, I’ve long past to the seaside for 2 months. I would possibly reply when I am getting again.” And in the United States, they may well be like, “Oh, I’m having a kidney transplant, however I’ll reply inside of 48 hours.” Nevertheless it in reality highlights that we’ve got grow to be so temporarily reactive and hyper-focused. And I do know in my very own existence, a few issues I’ve achieved with that purpose of looking to be extra provide and no more rushed, much less reactive, and extra simply provide with the real other folks I’m with is I don’t even know what my ringtone on my telephone appears like anymore as a result of my telephone is all the time on silent. And I feel my voicemail says one thing alongside the strains of I’m looking to be provide with the folk in my existence presently, so I can get to this when I am getting to this kind of factor. And you’ll be able to electronic mail me if it’s time-sensitive, and I’ll additionally learn that once I am getting to it.

Suneel: When did you get started doing that?

Katie: About 3 years in the past, most probably once I simply felt this expanding pressure and urgency round my telephone repeatedly pinging me and other folks desiring issues. After which, once I stepped again, I spotted none of this stuff are existence or dying. None of those are emergency eventualities. My children be capable of name a couple of instances in a row if there’s an emergency, and my telephone will ring. That hasn’t took place in 3 years. However there are fail-safes in case the youngsters in fact want one thing. However past that, the whole lot else, for probably the most section, can wait. And I additionally began making little shifts on your level. As an alternative of claiming such things as, sorry for the gradual answer, I’ll take a look at to concentrate on the sure and the distinctive feature inside of it of like, “Thanks to your endurance.” And to love center of attention, discuss to the sure, no longer the adverse. However you’re proper, I feel we’ve grow to be so stressed out about that fast reaction that we really feel accountable if we don’t straight away reply.

Suneel: Smartly, so right here’s a query I’ve for then you. Have you ever spotted over the last 3 years, because you followed this new way of living, have you ever spotted any slips for your productiveness in any respect?

Katie: No, if anything else, it’s gotten, I’ve gotten extra productive however in much less time. And I’m a lot more provide like Mondays are my podcast days. And I’m very provide with podcasting, and not anything’s interrupting that. And all of that paintings occurs, and it’s targeted. And I believe like my consideration is right here. And once I’m with my children, I believe very provide with them, which makes them additionally really feel, I feel, extra hooked up. And so, they generally tend, like I believe like with folks, particularly when that connection is powerful together with your children, since you’re in fact provide, you’re no longer simply to your telephone, they generally tend not to want as a lot consideration from adverse eventualities as a result of they in fact really feel like their want for connection is being met. In order that’s in fact lowered pressure there. Similar factor with the entire relationships in my existence. I believe so a lot more found in them that, in a way, it lowered the seeming want of all of the ones various things to require my time as a result of I’m already provide once I’m with them.

Suneel: I feel it’s so vital as a result of most of the people that I paintings with, my scholars, even my scholars at Harvard Clinical College, they’re operating a mile a minute, proper? They’re hyper-ambitious. They’re dwelling a lifetime of goal, however they’re in the long run, I feel, additionally experiencing a large number of burnout presently. And probably the most issues once I communicate to them about this concept of no longer being as reactive, no longer shifting as speedy, that’s frightening for them as a result of they really feel like in the event that they undertake that way of living, what’s going to occur in consequence is they’re in the long run going to lose out. They’re going to be left at the back of, proper? And what I feel is so vital about listening to from other folks such as you who’re extremely high-productive, and have a look at this superb podcast you’ve constructed, plus you will have six children, plus you’re homeschooling, it’s improbable what you’ve been in a position to drag in combination that you simply’ve been in a position to try this with out operating a mile a minute or with out in fact having to reply as temporarily as you probably did.

There’s a probably the most tales within the e-book that I discuss is the tale of Carl Lewis, and Carl Lewis is an Olympic sprinter, and you realize, he would all the time get started his races behind the pack, however you realize, was once an implausible sprinter. He would win a large number of them, turned into an Olympic-level legend. And so, other folks had been in reality at a loss for words through that as a result of there was once virtually a traditional knowledge that should you began out behind the pack, you weren’t going to win the race, however he all the time did.

And so, this trainer began to check his conduct and what he discovered is that whilst the opposite sprinters had been exerting most power proper from the get-go, Carl Lewis was once all the time exerting about 85% power, proper? 85%. However he was once steady with it. It was once 85% easy and stable the entire solution to the top of the race. And so, whilst different racers would generally tend to expire of power through the top, Carl Lewis would whiz through them separately and in the long run finally end up profitable a large number of those races.

And this 85% rule began to make its approach out of doors of sprinting and out of doors of sports activities, even into industry, into different spaces, proper? With this concept of, like, are we able to query the concept that most power equals most effects? As a result of I feel a large number of us were conditioned that approach. If you need most effects, you higher squeeze as laborious as you in all probability can. However because it seems, and this is going well past Carl Lewis into a lot and a lot of peer-reviewed research now, that if you’ll be able to scale back the power just a bit bit, what you might in the long run in finding is not just a better high quality of existence however in fact higher results.

And I without a doubt skilled this. , probably the most issues I’ve to do as a author is I’ve to rise up in entrance of audiences and discuss. And once I first began public talking, identical to a large number of other folks, I used to be in reality afraid to rise up in entrance of huge audiences. And what I’d do is I’d cross, like, ahead of, I’d virtually, like, psych myself up. And I’d be like, you realize, you’ve were given to try this. , you were given to kill this speech. And I’d put a large number of power on myself. And in consequence, I’d rise up on level, and I’d stutter. I’d really feel in reality frantic, and I’d really feel in reality worried. And I do know that the folk within the target market may just really feel my anxiousness. However as I began to transport within the different course, which is within the moments ahead of, even within the hours ahead of a chat, I’d begin to loosen the power, like in reality simply calm down into this. I began to seek out myself getting on level in a a lot more comfy approach, feeling a lot more assured about myself, being prepared to make errors up there. And that was once simply a lot more a laugh for the target market as nicely. And I began to ship higher and higher talks.

So once more, I feel it comes again to this experiment that we must, that we will be able to run with ourselves, every so often very simply, which is that for those eventualities that we expect are vital, whether or not it’s at paintings or whether or not it’s at house, we every so often really feel that placing most effort and depth are going to provide us the most productive effects. Experiment with that. Begin to scale back the depth a bit of bit. Begin to scale back the power a bit of bit. After which take note of the end result. Did it in fact cross up, or did it cross down, proper? And typically, what I listen from most of the people is that if you’ll be able to scale back the power just a bit bit, proper, give your self just a bit little bit of that respiring room, in virtually each and every case, the result will in fact be higher and no longer worse.

Katie: And that’s so wild that you simply discussed sprinting as a result of, so, when I used to be studying via your e-book for my very own dharma, something that helped me crystallize was once, I in fact have a tiny middle and a tiny query mark tattooed on my wrist in order that I will see them once I’m typing. And I believe like a part of my goal in existence is to lend a hand other folks love higher and ask higher questions. And the ones are what I stay coming again to in Wellness Mama. And probably the most techniques in the previous few years I’ve gotten to try this is as a volunteer highschool monitor trainer as a result of my daughter’s a pole vaulter. And I spotted that very same factor is whilst you inform children to run at 100%, they’re hectic, their shape isn’t as just right, and so they exhaust in reality speedy. And if as a substitute, they’re operating someplace in that 80 to 90% vary, they’re much more in go with the flow and steadily quicker. However they don’t, however in fact getting excessive schoolers not to attempt to run all out is its personal problem. However I additionally took that away as a lesson in lifetime of simply knowing, wow, possibly every so often that power we placed on ourselves is in fact a type of resistance that’s slowing us down as opposed to how will we get out of our personal approach and take that governor off and let ourselves simply go with the flow. So, I like that you simply introduced up sprinting for instance of that. You additionally use a time period within the e-book referred to as, I’m hoping I pronounced it proper, pronoia. I would like so that you can outline that for us.

Suneel: Yeah, yeah. Pronoia is one among my favourite phrases within the e-book. Pronoia is the other of paranoia. So, if paranoia is somehow the conclusion that the sector is conspiring towards you, that issues are out to get you, pronoia is the conclusion that even if issues are falling aside within the non permanent, within the long-term, it’s all understanding for your choose. The universe is in many ways laying down construction blocks that may in the long run be on your receive advantages. And it’s a in reality, in reality laborious thought. I feel for me, as someone who has began firms that failed, as someone who has been let cross from jobs, has run for public place of job and misplaced, it’s been difficult for me to in reality get my head round pronoia. However as I have a look at issues in a a lot more zoomed-out approach, I begin to notice how these items had been in fact operating in my choose. And it’s a kind of issues that we will be able to, I feel, steadily do for ourselves, is to take those painful moments. And it doesn’t occur in each and every painful second. However in a large number of the painful moments in our lives, we will be able to get started to have a look with some viewpoint years later and say, “What was once the nice that took place? What was once the trail that that ended up taking me down?” As a result of in the long run, we might in finding that it ended up taking us to a good higher position.

One of the vital examples of pronoia, or metaphors of paranoia, got here out of historic Japan, it’s referred to as kintsugi. And kintsugi is the artwork of golden restore. And it began with a shogun within the fifteenth century who shattered his favourite bowl. And it was once an excessively fortunate, holy bowl for him. And he was once in reality devastated. And so, he despatched it to a restore store. Then when it got here again, it got here again stapled. Just like the portions had been stapled in combination. So functionally it was once there, nevertheless it was once in reality unsightly. And so, he mentioned, like, “That is no just right”. So, he despatched it to an artist. And, in fact, an artist couldn’t essentially like superglue like the whole lot again in combination. However what the artist did as a substitute is he, the artist in fact made this golden lacquer in the entire cracks within the bowl. So, when the shogun gained his bowl again, it had this like virtually like tracing of like golden strains throughout the bowl. So, it appeared very other than it did ahead of, nevertheless it was once gorgeous, proper? And it turned into referred to as this artwork shape referred to as kintsugi, nevertheless it expanded right into a philosophy of existence, which is that those cracks in our existence can in the long run lead us to the sweetness, proper? It will possibly in the long run lead us to the issues that we’re in search of, that we’re in search of, proper?

And there’s this nice Sufi pronouncing that I remind myself of over and over. I’ve two children. I’ve an, my 11-year-old daughter and a six-year-old daughter. And my 11-year-old daughter, I simply shared this quote along with her for the primary time the opposite day. And it unusually, like, she checked out me and prefer mentioned, “Oh, like that is smart.” And right here’s the quote. “The arena goes to damage your middle, damage your middle, damage your middle. Till at some point, should you permit it, your middle will crack open.” And from that openness, from that cracked open middle that we begin to in finding love, it’s the place we begin to in finding actual pleasure. It’s the place we begin to in finding our actual energy, proper? If we will be able to permit our middle to crack open. And that’s in reality the theory at the back of pronoia, proper? Is that, you realize, probably the most techniques I used to have a look at the sector is thru a chain of steps. I’m hiking a mountain, proper? And I simply wish to climb step after step after step. And the theory at the back of pronoia is that it’s in reality no longer a collection of steps, it’s a cycle. And on this cycle, you win, you lose, you win, you lose, proper? And also you stay going throughout the cycle over and over. Just right issues occur, dangerous issues occur, just right issues occur, dangerous issues occur. However each and every time you cross throughout the cycle, you begin to get more potent, you begin to develop, proper? And also you begin to notice that. in a large number of techniques, whilst luck is superb, it’s also a awful trainer. And it’s those moments of setback, it’s those moments of errors that in reality finally end up making us who we’re. That’s the thought at the back of pronoia.

Katie: I like that such a lot. I additionally love that you simply discussed Viktor Frankl on this dialog as a result of he’s my maximum re-read e-book of all time. It’s my once a year learn. And in addition, pronoia to me strains up with a pronouncing I stole from a chum of mine, Tina, which is the whole lot works out completely for me. And I say this steadily, and naturally, that doesn’t imply it really works out the best way I feel I would like it to, however the whole lot works out completely for me. And such as you, I will glance again and notice with that 10,000-foot view, even the issues that on the time I assumed had been horrible ended up resulting in a trail that ended up turning into gorgeous. And through the years, I’ve attempted to nurture the talent of no longer having to attend goodbye to understand that gratitude and to even, when conceivable, in that second of what appears like a nasty, “dangerous state of affairs,” to seek out gratitude for it in that second, which additionally turns out to have an aspect impact of relieving one of the discomfort within the second itself. To me, it’s only a just right reminder. And so, I like that you simply discuss that within the e-book as nicely. I do know that there’s clearly so a lot more on this e-book than we will be able to quilt in a single podcast episode, however I would like if you might want to stroll us via possibly a few sensible rituals other folks can do or child steps to start to nurture and in finding out what their dharma is.

Suneel: Yeah, yeah. So, you realize, we talked in regards to the chisels, proper? And I feel that something that we will be able to steadily ask ourselves that’ll give us a pleasant clue in to our personal dharma is, what would I do at no cost? Proper? What’s that factor that I’d do although I wasn’t compensated or I didn’t need to, I didn’t really feel obligated to do, proper? However I’d nonetheless do it. And that’s to not say, through the best way, that we wish to cross like give up our jobs and prefer no longer take a wage as a result of we need to pay the expenses, we need to do our issues, proper? We love that is we’ve the practicalities of existence. However simply as a idea experiment, if you’ll be able to separate out repayment from the task itself, simply as a idea experiment, what would I do anyway? That may be a in reality great solution to begin to clue your self in to those issues that subject to you at a serve as that’s a lot more vital than cash, proper?

And probably the most ways in which we discuss this within the e-book, and this may be a useful instructed to take into consideration is, like, luck has each interior luck and outer luck. We generally tend to concentrate on outer luck, which is wealth, standing, cash, success. However there’s additionally interior luck, which is which means, its goal, its pleasure. And the theory at the back of dharma isn’t to disgrace both of those, proper? It’s to not disgrace outer luck. If you wish to reach, when you have ambition, when you have targets, that’s improbable. Please do this, proper? However the thought at the back of dharma is in reality that simply understanding that you’ll be able to have the entire outer luck on the planet, and that won’t essentially lead you to interior luck. And it occurs at all times. Everyone knows individuals who have accomplished improbable standing and wealth however are feeling empty inside of. However alternatively, you’ll be able to turn the equation. You’ll be able to get started with interior luck, these items that in reality do fill you up at the inside of, after which let that overflow into outer luck.

So, what I do for a dwelling is I am going in the market and I find out about leaders, individuals who have accomplished at their easiest point throughout other industries and take a look at to unpack their conduct. And I’d say that if there’s in reality one commonplace denominator among individuals who have made a change of their existence to, I feel, reach at a better point, it’s that they began to shift from outer luck to interior luck. They began to determine what in reality, in reality makes them come alive. And since whilst you do this, you carry a better point of productiveness, creativity, mission-drivenness, provider, all of this stuff that we go along with, I feel, super effects, that stuff begins to return a lot more naturally. And when it begins to return extra naturally, that simply naturally will overflow into outer luck. So, I feel in reality beginning to differentiate for your self, the place’s the outer luck in my existence? Which once more, there’s not anything fallacious with that. And the place is the internal luck in my existence? And the way do I begin to let interior luck overflow into outer luck?

Katie: I like that. And it additionally brings the query to thoughts for any folks listening. I do know many people may well be within the enjoy of finding out these items as an grownup or working out what our dharma may well be as an grownup. Are there any issues we will be able to do to lend a hand our youngsters at more than a few ages to have possibly a shorter highway in that procedure or to… as a result of it kind of feels like children are naturally much more tapped in in many ways to objects that may line up as their herbal dharma? Are there any issues we will be able to do to lend a hand them nurture that?

Suneel: I feel that we’ve got been raised, I’m guessing Katie, you had been as nicely, with an profession mindset. And principally, once we had been requested as children, like, what do you need to be? What other folks had been anticipating was once, “I wish to be a health care provider, I wish to be a nurse, I wish to be an architect,” proper? And it was once an profession. What I feel we will be able to do for our youngsters was once we will be able to begin to inspire them to move one layer underneath that, which isn’t simply what do you need to do, however what do you’re keen on, proper? And I name this within the e-book, your essence mindset, proper? What are these items that in fact make you return alive, although they’re no longer the item that may belong on a LinkedIn profile, proper? I like to inform tales. I like to make other folks be ok with themselves. I like to construct issues, make issues, proper? Those are essences, proper? And if you’ll be able to begin to faucet into that essence, what you start to notice is that there are lots of, many various techniques to specific that essence, proper?

So versus an profession mindset, the place abruptly now it’s like do or die, fastened into one particular task identify, whilst you cross to the essence point, whilst you cross underneath that, you begin to notice that there’s an international of chances in the market. And in the long run, like should you have a look at the best way that my children and your children are going to finally end up within the staff, they’re going to finally end up doing a lot of various things, proper? Like my folks had been engineers for his or her whole profession, proper? And for me, I’ve had a couple of other jobs myself. However for my children, I simply assume that that’s going to finally end up being simply an approach to life. Then it will finally end up being that they’re doing a couple of issues immediately, proper? They’re virtually like mini little studios. And so long as we stick ourselves on this profession mindset, I feel we’re rubbing towards the truth of this new international of labor. However I feel if we will be able to cross right down to the extent of what’s it that in fact makes you return alive and beginning to lend a hand our youngsters know how to song into that for themselves, like giving them the comments of like, “Wow, I in reality spotted that whilst you had been doing that factor, like I noticed you remove darkness from and that was once in reality cool.” However permitting them to construct the talent of tuning into themselves as nicely, the place are brilliant spots in my day? The place are those vigorous moments? That brings them underneath this profession mindset into an essence mindset. And when they may be able to are living from that position, they may be able to categorical themselves in infinite techniques.

Katie: I like that. And a couple of remaining questions I like to invite on the finish of interviews. The primary one being the place can other folks in finding the e-book? And I do know you will have different sources to be had. You do a large number of different issues as nicely. The place can other folks in finding you and continue learning?

Suneel: Yeah, I imply, simply seek for On a regular basis Dharma, and also you’ll in finding the e-book. And it’s a very easy learn, and I additionally narrate it as nicely. So, should you love to concentrate on your books, it’s to be had for you there as nicely. After which my site is suneelgupta.com, or you’ll be able to take a look at me out on Instagram, ship me a DM, and I’ll write you again. It’s simply SuneelGupta, S-U-N-E-E-L-G-U-P-T-A on Instagram.

Katie: And talking of books, I’m curious if there’s a e-book or collection of books that experience profoundly impacted you for my part, and if this is the case, what they’re and why.

Suneel: Oh yeah, we mentioned Victor Frankl ahead of, Guy’s Seek for Which means is unquestionably on that record. The opposite one who if you have gotten ahead of is The Alchemist. The Alchemist is only one of my favourite fiction books of all time. However the thought at the back of The Alchemist, I feel, is profound and vital. It’s informed on this in reality mystical approach, which is that it’s the adventure, it isn’t the vacation spot. It’s in reality in regards to the tale of a boy who’s in the market in search of his treasure. And what he realizes in any case is that the treasure was once within the trail. It was once on this adventure itself. And it’s informed in a in reality, in reality gorgeous approach. Certainly one of my favourite books of all time.

Katie: I adore it. I can hyperlink on your e-book and to these as nicely within the display notes for you guys listening at the cross. And finally, any parting recommendation for the listeners nowadays that may be associated with one thing we’ve lined or unrelated existence recommendation that you simply in finding useful.

Suneel: Oh, gosh. I, you realize, my grandfather is the primary person who ever taught me about dharma. And probably the most issues that he mentioned to me is that the sector is sort of a sitar. And the sitar is like an Indian musical device with a lot of strings. It’s virtually like a guitar in many ways. And he mentioned that everyone represents one string. You’re one string. I’m one string. So, there are billions of strings at the sitar. And the item about this is that your task in existence is in reality to learn to play your string. It’s to faucet into your essence. It’s tapping into who you’re and to specific that. And the item that’s gorgeous about this is that whilst you play your string, no longer most effective does it affect what’s popping out of you, it has an impact on what’s taking place with the collective sound of the universe. You begin to, I feel, affect in a good approach the best way all the solidarity sounds. And so, I feel that’s one thing that’s so vital to keep in mind, is that whilst you start to make those little alignments to begin to are living extra for your dharma, to specific a bit of bit extra of who you’re, no longer most effective is that affecting your existence, it’s giving other folks permission as nicely. They’re having a look, individuals are gazing, and it provides them the permission that they wish to get started expressing theirs.

Katie: I like that analogy and that recommendation, and I’m so thankful to your time nowadays. This has been any such a laugh dialog. Thanks such a lot for being right here.

Suneel: Thank you, Katie. I like your display, and I like what you’re doing. You’re obviously, obviously dwelling your dharma, and I in reality respect you having me on.

Katie: Thanks. And thank you as all the time to all of you for listening and sharing your most beneficial sources, your time, your power, and your consideration with us each nowadays. We’re so thankful that you simply did, and I’m hoping that you are going to sign up for me once more at the subsequent episode of The Wellness Mama Podcast.

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